You were still about a year away from the square when those deaths happened. Saturn square doesn't come into orb until age 36. So what does it means? Since Mercury see BOTH Malefics. So from natal chart, Mercury Trine Mars, and Mercury Trine Saturn. Mars also Lord of Geniture, and Mars disposed all planets due to Mars is the only planet it in Rulership sign (I not count generational Scorpio Pluto here), Mars also disposed Scorpio Saturn.

It was my age 35, 12th house annual profection. So does that means both Malefics transit show the death of my child and father, not just 'only' Mars? Since it my 12th house annual profection so we use Mercury here since it rule my 12th, Mars Trine Mercury, and Saturn Trine Mercury. So Sun (self) and Mercury (mind) both listen to Mars and Saturn voice. I have Sun and Mercury BOTH Trine Mars and Saturn. Mercury rule 12th house, and Mercury aspect by BOTH Malefics. Natal chart below so you can see the aspects. I born in March 1984, I was 35 in 2019, so it was my 12th house annual profection year. I'm just trying to see which Malefics planet that show in the transit, (transit wise) that show the death of my child and my father, in the astrology lense, that's all. I just want to make this clear, I'm not in any way blame the planets for the death of my son or the death of father.

What does his Solar Return said, does it show Mars is the greater trouble here? Lost both my own child and father in this same year of this Solar Return year. However water Ascendant can only see it water Triplicity ruler in 5th Scorpio Mars which TRINE Ascendant 1st house (as both Moon and Venus in is an Air sign and AVERSION to Asc). Ascendant cannot see that Moon, it cannot see cannot witness each others due to the Aversion. My Moon and Venus both AVERSION to my Ascendant and both are peregrine too.ġst house ruler in 12th AVERSION to the Ascendant, 1st house ruler turn away from the Asc and refused to have anything to do with the Asc. Anyone who study traditional astrology know how important bound/term is. Saturn in a Mars sign and in a Mars house. Natal Mars is the Greatest Malefics in chart, and Mars is the strongest planet in my chart too, it in it own sign Scorpio and in it own house. I read use Hellenistic, as I only follow Traditional/Hellenistic astrology. You see how Solar Return Taurus Mars is in 12th house at 16 deg Opposition my Natal birth Scorpio Stellium where Scorpio Saturn 16 deg in 5th house exactly at 0 orb? I think it Solar Mars is what show the death of child. This was the 2019 Solar Return when child died, father also died this same year. Was the Solar Mars or Natal Saturn that show the death of my child?

Mars trine saturn solar return chart